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6th September, 2023.
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Tokoroa Elim Church

Is it about "Real People, Real World, Real God, and Real Answers"?

Of Mice and Men

They say for every mouse you see, there's another twenty you don't. We know about a handful of issues that raise serious questions... The ones we know about started in about 2005 at Tokoroa Elim. You might know of more, let us know. If you were targeted by the leadership of the Elim Church in Tokoroa, contact us with the link below. We will listen to you and take you seriously. If you want to remain anonymous, but want your story heard, we can do that too. In any case, we know it can be confusing and difficult. If you don't wish to "tell-tale" to us, that's okay too, but tell your story to someone you know you can trust. It really does help.

Why this web site?

"For evil to prosper it only takes good men to do nothing." It might rightly be argued that we are not that good. So we might not be perfect but what we do agree on is that something needs to be done, some things should not go unsaid. The uppermost reason for this website is protest. A protest and a deep feeling of outrage that this organisation using the name of God and claiming the authority of God to establish and continue their authenticity would turn a blind eye to corruption within it's own ranks. Initially the protest went only as far as the Tokoroa Elim Church, but since national leadership's visit mentioned below, nothing has been done or communicated to Richard, Barbara or Gordon to indicate any action or remedy has been determined or applied. There has been some activity (we guess) but nothing communicated to us nor publicly about what has transpired. People need to know what they're in for when they attend the Tokoroa Elim Church or any Elim Church in New Zealand in light of the issues raised and explored on this website. In the face of clear, unambiguous evidence of corruption in the leadership of the Tokoroa Elim church, the Elim National Executive has done nothing to address the situation, nor offer explanation. Yes they have asked some questions, visited Richard and Gordon (4th May, 2018) and later spoke to Barbara on the phone. As of this writing (7th July, 2018 5th October, 2018), they have not provided any feedback as stated in that interview (see part 2 for a transcript), and have not replied to the emails provided to give us any assurance that they will act or do their due diligence. As stated below, their chief concern is for the oppressor, not the oppressed. Their concern is, as it appears thus far, to protect the office of Pastor (an office which has no scriptural precedent if you care about such things...), rather than face the questions and issues raised about an evidently corrupt and ungodly leadership of the Tokoroa Elim Church.

What are we after?

The Elim National Executive will do what they will do. They will seek to de-escalate these issues in the easiest and least disruptive way. They have done so already in stating that "We have a very good Pastor in Tokoroa who has our full support" in response privately to what has been published at the beginning of 2018. We strongly believe that we have a man calling himself Pastor and members who truly believe he is a Pastor. A man who uses his position to exploit, abuse, and profit while masquerading as a man of God. What do we want? We want him gone and without honour. If you think that's too much to ask, speak to those who have been abused and exploited by those in leadership. We demand openness, transparency, integrity and a willingness to admit mistakes and lapses in good judgement from those who lay claim leadership in the name of God.

What if we get what we want?

This website will run it's course. If there is an apology made in writing, it will appear here on this site.

In the words of Trevor...

“At the end of the day, I’m going to say, we’re not going to cover anything up.” - Trevor McDowell (NLT)

Issues

  • Lies
  • Brian based his ministry on a lie and continues to lie.

    “If we claim to have fellowship with God yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.” – Apostle John

  • Exploitation
  • Brian used his position in the church to try and extort $15,000 out of an elderly woman in the congregation.

    “Be shepherds of God’s flock that is among you, serving as overseers – not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve.” – Apostle Peter

  • Accusations
  • Bearing false witness against members of the congregation.

    “Don’t extort money and don’t falsely accuse people.” – John the Baptist

  • Abuse
  • Spiritually abusing members of the congregation.

    "This is what the LORD says to the shepherds who tend my people: “Because you have scattered my flock and driven them away and have not bestowed care on them, I will bestow punishment on you for the evil you have done.” – Prophet Jeremiah

  • Partiality
  • Practicing favouritism and nepotism.

    “If you show favouritism, you sin and are convicted of the law as lawbreakers.” - Apostle James

  • Apostasy
  • Distributing Jewish propaganda through a Christian church.

    “Watch out for those dogs, those evil men, the mutilators of the flesh. For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and put no confidence in the flesh.” – Apostle  Paul

Lies

"Anything is better than lies and deceit" - Leo Tolstoy

Exploitation

"Ensure your kindness doesn't become exploitation" - Stewart Stafford

Accusations

"Do not cast away an honest man for a villian's accusation." - William Shakespeare

Abuse

"There are far too many silent sufferers. Not because they don't reach out, but because they tried and found no-one who cares." - Richelle Goodrich

Partiality

"Anything that suggests the possibility of favouritism works against public confidence." - Burt Greenwald

Apostasy

"The essence of apostasy is changing sides from that of the crucified to that of the crucifier." - John Stott

NPD

“According to the legend of Narcissus, this Greek boy fell in love with his own reflection in a pond. Narcissus is not in love with HIMSELF. He is in love with his REFLECTION. The popular misconception is narcissists love themselves. In reality, they direct their love to other people's impressions of them.” – Dr. Sam Vaknin

Sociopathy

“The signs of sociopathy are usually there before we are abused; most of us just don’t know enough to recognize them” - P. A. Speers

Elim

“The best prophet of the future is the past.” - Lord Byron

Questions

“Present your case,” says the LORD. “Submit your arguments,” says the King of Jacob.” – Isaiah 41:21

Documents

Some information has been published already. Some have formed their opinion without actually reading it for themselves. See below to find out.

Published by Date

Disappointment

Would it matter if some are just disappointed with their experience at Elim Tokoroa? If it was just disappointment you wouldn't be reading this.

Now that the documentary evidence that was requested by the representatives of the Elim National Leadership has been provided, why do they remain silent?

Why don't the Elim National Leadership Team uphold their own standards in leadership qualifications?

Why is it acceptable for Elim Pastors to lie, deceive, then abuse members of their congregations?

Do you know what went down?

None of us have all the details... below is what we have so far. Don't make the mistake of listening to only one side of the story. Ask questions, get answers. We don't know everything but we know too much already.

About

Is it about "Real People, Real World, Real God, and Real Answers"?

"It's the fakest people that brag about being real." - Anonymous

  • Part 1

    The first email sent 29th January 2018 to Elim leaders around the country

    "The Epistle of Richard Sivell, an unworthy servant of the Truth, to the Church of New Zealand. This is an open letter and can be freely distributed to whomsoever it may concern. This is an exposé of the leadership of Elim Tokoroa Christian Centre. They exalt themselves above the throne of Almighty God, demand money in the name of Jesus Christ and decree unconditional allegiance while abusing members of their own congregation without pangs of conscience. You will find an appendix with a list of all initial recipients of this epistle.

    The cries of the oppressed have reached the heavens. The conduct of these so-called “pastors”, Brian and Lorraine Hagger, has been witnessed and condemned! It is also a damnable indictment of the Elim Church of New Zealand and Luke Brough for winking at the devilish behaviour of his “ordained” ministers."

    Click here for part 1 - 29th January 2018

  • Part 2

    Emailed 5th of June 2018

    "The second Epistle of Richard Sivell, an unworthy servant of the Truth, to the Church of New Zealand. “Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honour at banquets. They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely.” – Lord Jesus Christ."

    Click here for part 2 - 5th June 2018

  • Part 3

    Emailed 17th of June 2018

    "The third Epistle of Richard Sivell, an unworthy servant of the Truth, to the Church of New Zealand. “I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard.” – Apostle Paul."

    Click here for part 3 - 17th June 2018

  • Part 4

    Emailed 27th of June 2018

    "The fourth Epistle of Richard Sivell, an unworthy servant of the Truth, to the Church of New Zealand. "I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and no lie comes from the truth." – Apostle John"

    Click here for part 4 - 27th June 2018

    Click here for addendum to part 4 - 27th June 2018

  • Part 5

    Emailed 11th of July 2018

    "Tick tock, I gave that slut Jezebel time to repent..." – Richard

    Click here for part 5 - 11th July 2018

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Who Are We?

Former members of the Tokoroa Elim Church.

Richard

Owns a dog named Astrid

Barbara

Runs a home for two dogs...

Gordon

Owned by a cat named Jezariah

WHAT IS YOUR STORY?... If you have information for or against that would support or contradict what has been published here... we want to know. If you wish and subject to verification, and available time, we will publish your story.

Contact Us

Please email us if you would like to discuss your experience in confidence or if you want to publish your story here.

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